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dean dad

Thanks for the shout-out! I'm working on a full response, but the short version is that clarity of mission is the key. Top research universities, on the one side, and cc's, on the other, share the virtue of clarity of mission. Those frustrating midtier schools that are neither fish nor fowl -- we want to raise our academic profile, but we can't afford more money for professional development or reductions in teaching loads -- are far more frustrating.

Jane

I wonder if some of the satisfaction (I'm wildly speculating here) has to do with "clarity of job expectations" to some degree. One of my continuing frustrations with my own job is that the T&P guidelines are almost completely opaque. You never really know if you're doing "enough" research or if your teaching is "good enough" or how much service is "enough". Are the guidelines clearer at CCs?

profgrrrrl

Just some more speculation here ... the people I know who are at CCs generally are there because they genuinely do align themselves with that mission. From what I've seen of the CC hiring process, they're pretty careful to check those things out about candidates and not hire research wannabes or even uncertains.

At other types of schools I think that not only do the schools have sort of unclear missions (as others have pointed out) but so do many of the faculty. I've been working with students who think they *should* apply for jobs at research u's even though research stresses them out and they don't like it. Or who get hired at research schools and are good at research but really don't have their heart in it. Or who get hired at teaching schools and actually enjoy teaching but can't help but feel that they *should* be at research schools because that's what they trained for. So perhaps in other jobs there is more conflict between who we are/what we want and what we theoretically should want/be as faculty? Just a very speculative thought ...

Carrie Shanafelt

The allures of different kinds of universities certainly appeal to different sides of the instructor. Although the benefits (living wage, free copying, my own office, etc.) I had while a graduate instructor at a small private research university were wonderful, those aren't the kind of benefits that make a teacher into an advocate for her students. At that univ., I felt deeply appreciated by my superiors, but only mildly rewarded by the response of my mostly white upper-middle-class students.

During the year I taught at NYC College of Technology, my experience was the opposite. I had no copying rights, a four-desk office I shared with 40 other instructors, not enough wages to live on (I very often went hungry), and no faculty acknowledgement, but I had classes packed with mostly lower-class, underserved minority students who were extremely bright and dedicated and almost tearfully grateful at the effort I put into teaching.

Which experience would I describe as "more fulfilling"? Of course I'd respond City Tech, but the work environment was such that, when offered even slightly more pay and better conditions at another CUNY school, I had to grab it. My students were furious. Direct quote: "How could you leave us? You said you loved teaching here. All you care about is money!" I was floored that they would accuse me of being a hypocrite, but it's true that I was leaving students that I'd have gone into battle for.

Since leaving City Tech, I've told many first-time instructors headed out into the CUNY schools that they won't be able to do it if they act like it's a job. No one will see your work and pat you on the back and give you a raise. Your superiors only do an evaluation, often, to inform you of what you've done wrong, not to suggest you for promotions. Every leg-up I've gotten has been because of my interactions with my superiors outside the classroom. But that means that my teaching life gets to be this pure thing. It's not about impressing anyone or hoping for financial benefits, like other jobs are. My teaching, at CUNY, anyway, has been about how much I love getting students to challenge themselves and seeing their brains stretch open. Yes, it's cheesy, but that's a joy I have here that I wouldn't at have at a fancy private school that paid well.

The problem is this: If a more prestigious university called and said they wanted me, and they'd give me full health benefits, a truly respectable salary, small classes, time to research, wonderful colleagues, etc., how could I say no? I would like to think I would say no, but I've been without real insurance so long the idea of going to a doctor is a temptation too great to pass up. This exact scenario has happened to several of the greatest minds to teach at CUNY. Some of them go, and it's hard to blame them.

Carrie Shanafelt

Upon rereading, I realized I should make it much more clear that I am a Ph.D. student. In CUNY, there is no significant difference between a graduate instructor and a non-TT instructor, so it's rather easy to imagine a lifetime-long version of the job.

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